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JONES: In world histories, the British Empire is often described as unique. Britain often boasts about how it was the first empire to extend beyond formal imperial possessions, to extend its influence beyond its own borders. But in the past few years, historians and sociologists have implicated the British Empire as merely the latest in a long line of empires: Other empires like Rome and Britain were either replaced by the central empires and states around the world after they came to an end or they themselves disintegrated.

JONES: But academics have also long questioned the uniqueness of Britain's empire. Historians have been challenging the idea of British uniqueness in empire. It might seem like a British Empire has more in common with the French or Spanish empires than it does with, say, the Roman Empire. But research has challenged the very idea that Britain's foreign policy model is one that comes from England's colonial past.

KARLSSON: I think that this line of bitching and moaning, which we can do endlessly, we can perhaps as historians, and I think as public figures in general, use a lot in the spirit of trying to stop what is, I think, a really bad, nasty threat. I mean, actually, to quit complaining and saying that it was bad in the past, to say, in fact, it's not that bad, you know, and the world is really, really - and this is the thing of the world government, I think, a world state, it's really dangerous. And I think we need to have those things in the background in our consciousness and, you know, fear it the way we do climate change and global warming and all these other problems. And I think we - we need to be, you know, to the point of disengaging, you know, from the issues of colonialism. I mean, it has, you know, it's bad. It's very bad. But we've got to try to step back. d2c66b5586